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CAN SOMEBODY IDENTIFY SHAMSHIR SCRIPTS?

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  • Started 7 years ago by K.SANDRO
  • Latest reply from barbarous

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  1. K.SANDRO
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    SALAAM EVERYBODY!
    I'M FROM GEORGIA.OVER 100YEARS MY FAMILY OWNS SHAMSHIR SWARD...
    BUT STILL WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS WRITTEN ON IT :(
    I TRY TO FIND ANSWER IN MY COUNTRY ,BUT NO RESULT :(
    I HOPE,MAYBE SOMEBODY HERE CAN IDENTIFY THE TEXT :)
    ANYBODY CAN EASILY FIND THE PICTURES ON THIS LINKS:

    http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/9966/xmali.jpg
    http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/1...ulicarcera.jpg
    http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/1...ulicarcera.jpg
    http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/1...2846153551.jpg
    http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8...2846155661.jpg

    Posted 7 years ago #
  2. S P
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    Salaam,

    Only the first picture seems to be working but from what it looks like, it is the Naskh script. The text by the handle is a different script a think but I can't tell what it is.

    From the first picture it's difficult to work out what it says - we would need more detailed photos. It would probably take a couple of hours of inspection to work out what is written.

    Lovely sword though!

    Posted 7 years ago #
  3. K.SANDRO
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    Shafiq Pandor
    SALAAM!
    VERY SORRY! IT'S SEEMS REALLY THEY DOESN'T WORKING
    PLS TRY THIS
    http://img534.imageshack.us/i/post8612846153551.jpg/
    http://img101.imageshack.us/i/post8612846155661.jpg/
    http://img715.imageshack.us/i/arabulicarcera.jpg/
    http://img709.imageshack.us/i/carceraarabuli.jpg/
    http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/8599/post8612846155661.jpg
    TODAY I'LL CLEAN A SWARD WITH LIMON JUS AN MAKE NEW PHOTOS,
    PROBABLY THEY WILL MORE CLEAR...

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  4. K.SANDRO
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    Posted 7 years ago #
  5. S P
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    I've had a look at it and it is still pretty difficult to read. My suggestion would be for you to send it to an academic who has had experience dealing with such artefacts. Any luck with the lemon?

    After rotating http://img709.imageshack.us/i/carceraarabuli.jpg/, I could make out a couple of words but not enough to understand what it's trying to say.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  6. K.SANDRO
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    Shafiq Pandor
    THANKS 4 YOUR ADVISE,BUT I DON'T KNOW ANY "academic who has had experience dealing with such artefacts".
    cleaning with lemon was advise from sward forum.ACTUALY IT DOESN'T HELPS :(
    HERE IS BETER PICTURES:
    http://www.swordforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92667&d=1284983220
    Maybe under man's picture is something clear?
    http://www.swordforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92669&d=1285001279

    Posted 7 years ago #
  7. barbarous
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    salaam
    i was reading your posts back and forth since you put them a week ago...very nice sword ..i was trying ..to read the script ..i could read some few words like (a3amali mean my work ).or (el khould ..mean eternity ).anyway ..from my knowledge Shamshir sword is originally from Khurasan ..region of Persia and was popularized in Persia by the early 16th century i think it need a lot of work to identify the text .like he said brother Shafiq to send it to an academic who has had experience dealing with such artefacts
    i will keep trying

    Posted 7 years ago #
  8. K.SANDRO
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    SALAAM barbarous!

    I APPRECIATE SO MUCH 4 YOUR DILIGENCE.I UNDERSTAND READING THIS SCRIPT IS DIFFICULT...
    ONE MY NET-FRIEND SEE UNDER MAN'S PICTURE LETTERS "RSTM" AND "L MML".and he suppose the sward is from king Rostom's smithery
    King(khan) of east Georgia Rostom-khosro mirza(1633-1658)(1043-1068AH)
    ANOTHER THINKS THAT IT IS FROM OTTOMANS(19-CENTURY) AND SEE THE WORD IN diwani jali - دیوانی جلی

    SO I'M VERY CONFUSED:(

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  9. K.SANDRO
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  10. K.SANDRO
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    Hello,barbarous!
    I have received letter from another net-friend...
    Interesting,what U say aboute it:)
    "I tried to read the inscriptions, the pictures are in good size and resolution but reading the inscriptions is another story and needs much closer shots.

    On the obverse side (pic1), the middle inscription which is divided into two parts has got two words that are repetitive through the inscription, one that is the beginner of the both two parts could not be read but the other word is علی (Ali)that could refer to either the name of علی بن ابی طالب or an Arabic word with the same alphabet meaning (upon, at, in…) and the inscription below the portrait (pic1-2)seems to have a word: سلطان(Soltan) (king) and again the word علی.
    Such repetitive words suggest some sort of religious hymns.
    For the upper inscription (pic1) the only word that I could read was: الذی (Allathi) meaning (Who, whom, whose…).
    The reverse side (pic2) again contains both repetitive words of the other side, the first beginner word which is written three times at the first part could not be recognized and the second word is علی.
    The other inscription under the central one seems to have علی بن (Ali-ibn)which means (Ali the son of…)

    I couldn`t read more words, I think closer pics are needed."

    Posted 7 years ago #
  11. S P
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    Those are the words I could make out. I think the word علی is more likely to be Alaa' as in upon, rather than Ali ibn Talib, because there aren't any dots underneath the ی. In the photo http://www.swordforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92667&d=1284983220, the first word seems to be something like لمثلتكا, though I couldn't get a translation from Google Translate

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  12. barbarous
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    Hello ..you are welcome .....we need a closer pics ...and also i want a pic for the sentence at beginning close to the sword handle back side of king face ..they are some writing in koufi old style ..you can see it at http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/8599/post8612846155661.jpg.up side ...so please make anothers pic look like a bridge because of sword form ...i hope you did understand me ....for me its a challenge to find out to whom this sword was belong ....another thing ..can you tell us what kind of native language speak people from georgia

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  13. K.SANDRO
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    HELLO barbarous!
    I JUST ARRIVE HOME AND TOMORROW I'LL PLACE HERE CLOSER PICS OF ALL PARTS OF MY SWARD :)
    IN GEORGIA PEOPAL SPEAK very OLD LENGUAGE :GEORGIAN - ABOLUTLI DIFERENT,FROM OTHERS...
    AND OUR TODAYS ALPHABET U CAN C HERE - http://www.ancientscripts.com/images/georgian.gif

    BUT, MANY CENTURIES MY HOMELAND WAS PARTLY CONTROLED BY ARAB,IRAN AND TURKEY...
    IN PRESENT DEY IT IS PARTLY OCCUPIED BY RUSSIA:(
    I HOPE-TEMPORARY :)

    Posted 7 years ago #
  14. K.SANDRO
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    HELLO EVERYBODY!
    SORRY 2 BE SO LATE
    I HOPE NEW PICS R BETTER AND MORE READABLE
    IF SOMETHING WRONG ,PLS ADVICE ME ...
    WITH RESPECT - K.SANDRO
    http://pix.ge/x/a/z/criri/
    http://pix.ge/x/a/q/9iak6/
    http://pix.ge/x/a/b/lrq93/
    http://pix.ge/x/b/m/1u9qp/

    Posted 7 years ago #
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  17. barbarous
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    Hello sandro
    thanks for the pics ..now is better....so we hope we are going to find out ....

    Posted 7 years ago #
  18. K.SANDRO
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    TENKS IN ADVANS 2 EVERYBODY :)
    WAITING 4 GOOD NEWS FROM U...

    Posted 7 years ago #
  19. K.SANDRO
    Member

    HELLO barbarous AND
    Shafiq Pandor!
    SORRY 4 MY IMPATIENS
    I'D L IKE DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION T0 RED MARKED PART OF THE SWARD,BECAUSE ONE MUSEUM EXPERT TELL ME TODAY,THAT CAN READ THERE DATE 1272...
    WHAT U THINK ABOUT,PLS?
    PLS C PICTURE http://a.pix.ge/q/ppnll.jpg

    Posted 7 years ago #
  20. barbarous
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    Hello ,salam Sandro ..
    answering about your last request ..its not a number ..you and this expert ..you saw this number and it is not ,because the writing its reversed in up side down ...see the pic http://pix.ge/x/a/s/dvuot/..the number you see it its an arabic carachters its say (wa bismi el thikka) you saw word el thikka (TRUST)..like a number they are no numbers here that tell the year ...sorry...i am workinmg on it

    Posted 7 years ago #
  21. K.SANDRO
    Member

    SALAAM barbarous!
    Thank U 4 your answer!
    Actually, I all ready find out that "expert" was wrong person :(
    Even 4 me it is clear ,from what side should read Arabic :)

    With patients waiting 4 some results...
    What u think about this program ?
    I'm trying 2 download it...
    KELK 2010 + PATCH 2 (download torrent) - TPB
    23 Oct 2010... Baghdadi Naskh, Divani Khafi, and Divani Jali. It is also possible to use ordinary Arabic fonts in combination with calligraphy fonts. ...

    Posted 7 years ago #
  22. barbarous
    Member

    salaam hello Sandro
    i dont know this program 'but i am checking it,i think its a program ..to write into computer(like microsoft office) .. ..and i will tell you my opinion about it ..

    Posted 7 years ago #

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